Sako L461 PPC New , it is a short, rather stubby case (only 1.51 inches (38 mm) long), it nevertheless develops ballistics superior to some larger, longer cartridges such as the . 222 and . 223 Remington. The 52-grain bullet can be pushed out of the muzzle at over 3,500 feet per second (1,100 m/s), I have with this lots of . 22ppc brass and loading gear I am just looking for the projectiles.( extra cost if wanted)